"The Big One" - It's All NASCAR's Fault

OK, maybe not directly but go with me on this one.
Weather forcasts all weekend were calling for rain, NASCAR knew it was coming so what did they do? They ran the race at the 3:40 ET start time anyway.
If NASCAR would have made the start time about 1 hr earlier they just might have got all of the race in before the skies opened up and would have avoided the extra pressure put on drivers to get to the front in a hurry or to get back on the lead lap fast.
From this view point it was NASCAR's inaction and quest for primetime ratings that caused the Vickers/Earnhardt mishap and nothing else.
One thing I really hate about NASCAR is the fact that they have changed the regular start times (approx 1:00 pm) for their races to later times so that they can get into the TV prime time slots. Good for their pocketbooks but sucks for the fans.
I remember going to a race years and years ago and NASCAR started the race earlier because of the threat of rain - yep earlier. As a paying ticket holder I appreciated the fact that NASCAR tried to get the whole entire race in before the rain hit.
That just isn't the case anymore.
The average race fan who attends each and every one of these races deserves to see the whole entire race and it should be NASCAR's obligation to give these paying fans exactly what they paid for - an entire race.
You know, if they are worried about their ratings so much tape the damn race and broadcast it during the regular time anyway, I'd still watch it from the comfort of my own couch and be really happy that I got to see a whole entire race instead of the anti-climatic event that was held this past weekend. And I'm sure the TV Networks would appreciate an entire race with an exciting finish too instead of what they got on Sunday.
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I've got to disagree with you
on a couple of points.
1: NASCAR, the local weathermen, and the Pschic Network couldn’t have predicted when the rains were to come, and moving the time at the last minute could have proved to be a logistical nightmare. Yes, moving the race up an hour might have been a smart move, but when you have as much crap going on before the races (sponsor tailgates, concerts on the infield, etc.) it’s not going to be something that’s going to be very likely.
2. I’m not sure what NASCAR’s intentions were on moving the race times, but I will give it to you from my perspective. When they were doing 1PM starts, that’s 10AM on the west coast (I live in San Diego), which is really damn early to start watching sports. That’s the same time slot the NFL early games are in, and you gotta figure that there’s a certain percentage of the NASCAR demographic that’s in church at that time or getting ready to have dinner with the family or whatever. I don’t think moving the times back a couple hours was necessarily just to get NASCAR into primetime, because if that was the motive, then all the races would be run at 7PM ET.
by leghumpingjihadkiller on Feb 18, 2009 7:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
one other thing
the ratings generally suck here in San Diego when the Chargers have to go to the east coast and play in the 1PM EST timeslot. One other thing to consider as well, is 1PM EST is 7 or 8AM in Hawaii, depending on the time of the year.
by leghumpingjihadkiller on Feb 18, 2009 7:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hey leg…
Even I know it rains in Florida after 5:00 pm and I live in Canada and with all the weather technology at NASCAR’s disposal they surely could have predicted the rain moving in later in the afternoon/early evening.
Regarding the westcoast time, I see your point but I’d rather watch NASCAR at 10:00 am than 10:00 pm when they have their Saturday night races. I’ve got little kids who get up early and by the time 11:00 pm rolls around I’m lucky to be awake to see the end of the race – also if NASCAR is such a family sport then they are losing potential future fans because the kids are all going to bed at 9:00 or falling asleep on the couch with their parents and missing the whole thing.
by 4ever3 on Feb 18, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Weather Bug
Okay,
I am going to agree with you on the weather because all you hear them talk about during the race when rain is near is how they are all monitoring it so what gives? You mean to tell me the NASCAR guru’s can’t tell ahead of time that bad weather is on the horizon, come on this is Florida!!!
Oh let us not forget about all the wasted time on having to listen to Keith Urban sing how many songs? Give me a break. I understand this is NASCAR’s biggest race of the year but it is not like the Super Bowl where they will play in any kind of weather.
Once again, NASCAR drops the ball and disappoints the fans, especially those in the stands that paid good money to be there.
by dalejarrett4ever on Feb 18, 2009 11:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If I were to be a real devils advocate I could say NASCAR could have had the concert after the race – but wait they know it rains in Florida after supper so can’t have the concert, but we’ll cut the race short instead.
by 4ever3 on Feb 18, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just plain think it should have been started earlier. Anyone around there knows that that time of year it rains all the damn time when it cools off. (ie at dusk) Nascar should know this and for petes sake how long of a prerace show do we need?
by tesswpfd17 on Feb 18, 2009 3:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Oh I agree Tess. Hey why don’t you get on the soap box of yours and do a rant? I’d bet you’d be good at it …. c’mon I dare you!
by 4ever3 on Feb 18, 2009 5:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Oh Yes!!!
Come on Tess, I Double Dare you! I Triple Dare you!! Show us you can get on that soap box and do a rant.
The Author & Owner of the DaleJarrett4Ever Blog
by dalejarrett4ever on Feb 19, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Calling The B.S.
OK, something ain’t right here. Smells fishy. The accident had nothing to do with start times. Here’s the trouble quote: “it was NASCAR’s inaction and quest for primetime ratings that caused the Vickers/Earnhardt mishap and nothing else.” WHAT?
That one won’t fly. Who was to blame for the wreck? Dale Earnhardt Junior. Was he racing to the lead to avoid the rain? Nope. Maybe – maybe – then your point would work. But what Earnhardt did was turn Vickers, plain and simple. Retaliation. Maybe for the push below the yellow, maybe for ‘Dega 2006, maybe both. Maybe he was just being a baby and had the red mist in his eyes from the pit box incident. And even if he was racing to the front, so was EVERYBODY ELSE. But I don’t remember anybody else turning anybody else around in front of the entire field. Other “big one” wrecks might fit into your idea, but not this one. They could have started the race at 10am and Earnhardt still would have turned Vickers. Had Sadler turned Kenseth after the #17 passed him, then you can blame the wreck on the weather. But Earnhardt v. Vickers wasn’t that wreck.
Either way, it’s excuse-making clear and simple to say that anyone but Earnhardt caused that wreck. The start time had nothing to do with it. So you’ve got two different posts in one. Did the start time prevent us from seeing an awesome finish? Yeah. Did it even tangentially cause the wreck? Nope.
Your point might be valid had both of the two cars been above the yellow line, or if Earnhardt even knew that the race with Vickers was for the lucky dog – remember in his post-race presser Earnhardt said he was not aware it was for position – but since we know this other stuff, we can’t say it. Earnhardt didn’t know getting around Vickers would give him the lucky dog, so there was no “push to the front” effect. Earnhardt was just pi**ed off.
It seems, then, like you’re making excuses for Earnhardt. I’m not saying that you’re excusing Junior just because you have Earnhardt family iconography all over the blog. It’s just suspicious. This could be a Jimmie Johnson blog and I’d be suspicious. This is the longest reach to justify or explain away an Earnhardt Junior mistake yet. Why don’t we just admit the guy lost his head, like countless others do, settle the blame on him, and move on?
Was the start time too late? Probably. Did it cause the wreck you talk about? Not hardly.
by GaryColeman'sLoveChild on Feb 19, 2009 2:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Twist It However You Want But I Stand By My Words
I like how you took my quote and changed it to make your clearly biased point. I take it you are not a Jr fan.
I wrote “From this view point it was NASCAR’s inaction and quest for primetime ratings that caused the Vickers/Earnhardt mishap and nothing else.” not "it was NASCAR’s inaction and quest for primetime ratings that caused the Vickers/Earnhardt mishap and nothing else’’ . The way you twist it changes the whole meaning of the sentance.
If you are going to use someone’s quotes against them at least use the whole quote because it does not make your argument any stronger, in fact it weakens it significantly. Clearly the part you left out (From this view point) is refering to the previous paragraph where I said, “If NASCAR would have made the start time about 1 hr earlier they just might have got all of the race in before the skies opened up and would have avoided the extra pressure put on drivers to get to the front in a hurry or to get back on the lead lap fast.”
So clearly my intentention was to state that if NASCAR started the race earlier then drivers like Dale Jr and Brian Vickers would not have been in the position they were in trying to get back on the lead lap and hope for the caution flag to fly so they can back into the mix of things before the rain hit and the eventual red flag. It was the situation that NASCAR put these drivers in that led to the wreck – it could have been any driver put in the postions of Vickers and Jr, it just happened to be them thats all.
As far as taking Jr’s side in this whole wreck thing I take it that you did not read my previous post(http://www.4ever3blog.com/2009/2/16/761279/kenseth-rains-over-daytona) where I even went as far as to say that maybe Jr needs to get his eyes checked after what happened with him and Vickers.
No excuse making here.
As far as Earnhardt family icongraphy goes, ya I am a fan of his Dad but I’m not exactly a full fledged Jr. fan. Please don’t assume that just because he is the son of the legend I used to cheer for automatically makes me a fan of his. Jr has to earn me as a fan and so far he hasn’t, although I do have a bit of a soft spot for him because he stood up to his step mom and went out on his own to try and win a championship.
So was the start time too late? I’ll give you the probably. Did it cause the wreck? No. However, it set the circumstances up that led to the wreck, and as far as who caused the wreck I think it was Jr but again if you read my previous post you would have known that. Now was the wreck deliberate? Only he knows what he meant to do, not I.
by 4ever3 on Feb 19, 2009 9:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Really now?
OK, so dropping “From this point of view” means I’m twisting your words? Well, I suppose if you’re going to make excuses for Earnhardt then you might as well make excuses for yourself.
From ANY point of view, Earnhardt caused that wreck. I guess that makes me biased, because I’m not a Junior homer? Truth is, I’m neither a hater nor a fan. Believe it or not, there are some people who are neutral towards Junior. I happen to be one of them. Clearly talented. Clearly his celebrity outstrips his achievements – so far. Plenty of time to make good on that. But the fact you try to demonize me as a hater makes you seem like more of an apologist. Just admit it, it’s fine. People won’t stop reading your blog because you’re a homer. Just be up front about it. But by your standards, when Earnhardt Junior is at fault, it’s because someone’s not a Junior fan, huh? No twisting here, you said it yourself and the whole sentence: reads “I take it you are not a Jr fan.” No, and apparently not a big of one as you.
Oh, and I did read the previous blog (day it was posted, wanted to re-read it but the link’s dead now), but your summary here leaves me puzzled: “needs to get his eyes checked”? Let me avoid twisting: “where I even went as far as to say that maybe Jr needs to get his eyes checked after what happened with him and Vickers.” Had Earnhardt said he accidentally got into Vickers because he had an astigmatism, I’d buy it.
Instead, let’s see what Junior’s own words were, from Speed’s website: http://nascar.speedtv.com/article/cup-earnhardt-vickers-trigger-big-one/ The entirety of Paragraph 6:
Earnhardt predictably saw it differently. "I had a really, really good run and Brian, he was side-by-side with somebody for the lead and I went on the inside and he drove me down," said Earnhardt. "Down almost into the grass below the line, and I didn’t have much control over the car at that point. I was just trying to get back on the race track and I hit him in the quarterpanel and spun him out." Seems like his vision was pretty clear, and that gets us to intent. Had it been a problem of vision, Earnhardt could have copped to his mistake and we’d all move on. He admits to hitting Vickers unapologetically. But, like many before him, he wouldn’t admit to a moment of temper. Earnhardt wasn’t ‘almost into the grass,’ you can see that on replays. He was angry – and we all would be. But instead of taking the lumps for his mistake of judgment – not vision – he made excuses for himself. When his fanbase tries to justify Earnhardt’s actions, that’s when they lose credibility. That’s all I’m calling you out for. No need to get defensive. Just say what’s obvious: Junior screwed up. It’s OK, and the world doesn’t end. He should be punished accordingly and we all move on. But to try to justify or confuse the issue does damage to your credibility. Either be an unabashed homer or try to play it even. But you can’t claim to play it even and be a homer in reality without it coming back on you.
Example: I’m in a fantasy league with a die-hard Carl Edwards fan. And at ‘Dega last year, he put some drivel up on our message board about how Edwards was forced up into Biffle. And what did we do? We called him on it. It’s homerism, plain and simple. So’s your post. You’re called on it.
More evidence? Your words: “So clearly my intentention was to state that if NASCAR started the race earlier then drivers like Dale Jr and Brian Vickers would not have been in the position they were in trying to get back on the lead lap and hope for the caution flag to fly so they can back into the mix of things before the rain hit and the eventual red flag. It was the situation that NASCAR put these drivers in that led to the wreck – it could have been any driver put in the postions of Vickers and Jr, it just happened to be them thats all.” Yes, anyone could have been put in that position. I grant you that point – you’re right. But how many times have we seen one driver block another below the yellow? Plenty. How many times did they wreck? A few. And each time, save this one, the hammer came down on the offending driver. So why are we blaming someone else for Junior’s misdeeds? He made a mistake, and again it was one of judgment. Let’s make sure we’re clear here. You’ve got a soft spot for Junior. I don’t care either way. So maybe you’re looking at him with rose-colored glasses as a proxy for his dad. I guarantee you this, though, from someone who admired his dad: Senior would have turned Vickers to the infield, not towards the rest of the field. Then none of this happens.
Stand by your words all you want, doesn’t make them any more correct.
by GaryColeman'sLoveChild on Feb 20, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you actually read what I said?
I said Earnhardt caused the wreck (last paragraph previous reply). I am not making any excuses for him, all I said is that if the start time was earlier then these guys wouldn’t have been racing like it was the last lap in order to beat the rain.
And as far as punishing him, that’s NASCAR’s call not mine.
If you see more into what I said than this then you’re looking way too deep my friend.
Enough said.
by 4ever3 on Feb 20, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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