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35 Years of Counting to 175.. NASCAR's Points System

Hey all! 

Welcome to 2011! January has been a rocky month for me, but we are getting awfully close to the start of our season. Time to jump back on the horse. Horsepower, that is. 

We've all been waiting to hear what NASCAR has in store for us for the 2011 season points system. This evening, Brian France held a press conference to fill us in on the details of a simplified and more competitive points system. I had to follow the updates via social media and the internet since out here on the West Coast, I was stuck at work. There is some great commentary, both positive and negative out there. I'm excited for it. I think change (some change. NASCAR, can we have Rockingham back, please?) is good. Tonight, I set out to write a little bit about the history of NASCAR's points systems. I started doing my research and can really sum it up like this: It has never made a whole lot of sense. 

There. That about covers it. There were different points granted for different types of tracks. Points were awarded based on the purse for each track or for each lap completed. There were different points awarded for top finishers- with some of the field getting no points at all. There was, at one point, four different rule changes regarding the points system in eight years. 

You could say these systems are nutty, but they were trying their best. A quick glance at NASCAR.com's NASCAR101 doesn't show a much better set up for the last three decades. Our most recent points system was created in 1975 by a fellow by the name of Rob Latford. A historian and a statistician, he created a system that would offer uniform points to drivers relative to how they finished up a race. 

Seems simple, sort of. But for every single one of us who have tried to explain the points system to a new fan... well... Let's just say my least favorite questions are "How do the points work?" and "Can you explain to me again how the qualifying for the Daytona 500 works?" 

So, 35 years later. Here we go again! This one actually seems simple enough to explain. Phew! 

Let's see. 1975? 35 years ago. What was going on? In 1975 Dale Earnhardt first intimidated the field. Well, he finished 22nd in the one race he ran. But there he was at Charlotte Motor Speedway, driving the #8 Dodge. And heck, we all know what was coming. Richard Petty won his 6th Championship. Marty Robbins, country western star, raced in two races that year. Can you imagine Garth Brooks out in a car? 

1975 not only brought a uniform approach to the points but it also brought a more balanced field. All engines were required to be the same size and the conflicts that had been caused by the introduction of the Hemi engines had been settled. Engine sizes were restricted and Chevrolet was a competitive factor again. Of course, the teams no longer had direct factory support, so the cost of running a team was escalating each year. Holman-Moody, Banjo Mathews, Cotton Owens and Ray Fox all shut down their teams. Interestingly, in an effort to hep teams survive, Goodyear awarded tires to teams based on their qualifying efforts. 

This week, we also heard from Fox Sports Chairman, David Hill who said that the races should be shorter to better fit television ratings. In 1975, ABC expanded their NASCAR coverage to include live broadcasts of the Daytona 500 and the Atlanta 500 and delayed broadcasts of the Mason-Dixon 500 (Dover), the Firecracker 400 and the Southern 500. CBS would air the Winston 500 (Talldega) and the World 600 (Charlotte) a week after they ran the races. CBS also aired the Champion Spark Plug 400 (Michigan) and the Dixie 500 (Atlanta). A total of ten races were aired on television. The fact that television was willing to expand their coverage so rapidly was a reflection on the growing awareness and interest in the sport. Something that I sort of think that the tv execs might be missing today. 

So here we go kids! We only have about two more weeks to go. I for one, can't wait, no matter how many points they give em. 

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Sigh.

Let’s dumb down the points system in yet another attempt to capture the New York and Los Angeles audiences that really have better things to do than care about sports… great idea.

What made the Latford system so great is that it acknowledged the relative indifference between first and tenth in most races. Yes, there’s a reasonable-sized points gap there, but when the difference between the two is, say, not even two seconds at some of the bigger tracks, it’s not entirely fair to award a massive points spread between cars that are that close to one another.

This current system is just a ripoff of the old Indy Racing League system, circa ‘96 or ’97, that didn’t exactly work too well. It’s a joke, and an insult to the intelligence of the smarter NASCAR fans out there (i.e. the people that made the sport what it is today). NASCAR needs to focus on winning back the people that have always cared, not winning new fair-weather fans.

by ChristopherLion on Jan 27, 2011 2:43 PM EST reply actions  

I know I'm going to come off looking bad here, but ...

It’s a joke, and an insult to the intelligence of the smarter NASCAR fans out there (i.e. the people that made the sport what it is today)

No. NASCAR was made what it is today by average blue-collar, hard working, small-town country folk. I’d add something in about moonshine, but not sure how to phrase it without being totally politically incorrect, because moonshine running was an influence. Maybe influence is not the best term, but I hope the point is understood. The “smarter NASCAR fans out there” did not make the sport. We are the Johnny-come-lately’s. I’m not trying to say anything negative about the foundation of the NASCAR fan base, because this grat sport would not be what it is today, but it is NOT the white-collar, over-educated portion of the population you imply it is. And please, TrackGirl, correct me if I’m wrong.

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by FrankG929 on Jan 27, 2011 7:36 PM EST reply actions  

Clarification

My bad – by “smarter” I meant “smarter about the sport” – as in the average blue-collar, hard-working, small-town country folk you’re referring to… the people who actually know what the **** is going on in the average race weekend. The people who understand how a carburetor works, the people who remember DW as a race driver and not a commentator, the people who long for the days of Ken Squier and Harry Hyde.

Sorry about that. We’re on the same page there, I just didn’t clarify exactly what I meant.

by ChristopherLion on Jan 29, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

@CL and Frank both-
I do think that the fanbase, like the rest of the world, has become much more educated than say your average Joe in the late 1940s. Look at the resources and availability of information that we have at the touch of a button!
I can go through my bookcase to gather information, but when I want to double check something, like how many starts Marty Robbins has, I can find lists of stats that will help me make sure that I am an informed NASCAR writer.
When I was doing research for race tracks, I had to search out information in the local papers. In the 50s, racing information came mostly around the time of the local race. The coverage increased as media and the sport grew. We are super lucky and super informed.
That being said, I often find the drive to “catch the new fan” really annoying. I made a new fan this year by sitting her down, helping her pick a driver, and watching a race with her. That’s it! No gimmick, no re-alignment, no Digger, no re-scheduling races. Just watching a race.
I for one, don’t know the way to communicate that to NASCAR.

In the meantime, I think we are lucky that NASCAR made decisions like keeping Martinsville with two races and that we haven’t lost any more heritage in this upgrade. The points system really has gone through tons of changes over the years, we’ve just had this particular one for 35. I don’t think that this change necessarily impacts the “Old School” element of NASCAR that feels like it is slipping away, I just think that it is way for NASCAR to make the sport easier to embrace.
I’m a diehard old school gal (mostly) and I’m content to be able to finally explain the system. In the mean time, I’m taking three “New Fans” to Daytona..just because they want to see a stock car race.

by TheTrackGirl on Jan 28, 2011 10:14 AM EST reply actions  

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