Open Race Thread: NASCAR Camping World Truck Series WinStar World Casino 350k | Texas Motor Speedway

by 4ever3 on Nov 4, 2011 6:54 PM EDT in Open Race Threads

You know, I'm liking this battle for the points. So much so that I'm going to DVR this race as my son's hockey game starts about the same time as the green flag is going to fly and I'll watch it when I get home. Don't expect to see me in the comment section either - at least not until I've watched the race.

So who is going to win? Tough call. If you want a safe bet then go with either Harvick or Busch, but if you must pick a winner out of the Truck regulars than I'd pick any one of the drivers in the top three or four in points, with a nod going to Buesher and Dillon - if for no other reason than they qualified strong (P1 and P2 respectively) and are way out of the pack where a lot can happen.

Starting line-up is after the jump, see you on the other side.

Starting line-up via nascar.com.

POS	CAR	DRIVER	MAKE	SPONSOR	SPEED	TIME	BEHIND
1	31	James Buescher	Chevrolet	Exide Batteries	181.062	29.824	Leader
2	3	Austin Dillon	Chevrolet	Bass Pro Shops / Tracker	180.783	29.870	-0.046
3	32	Blake Feese	Chevrolet	Cyclone Anaya's Mexican Kitchen	180.554	29.908	-0.084
4	18	Kyle Busch	Toyota	Traxxas	180.451	29.925	-0.101
5	4	Ricky Carmichael	Chevrolet	Monster Energy	180.421	29.930	-0.106
6	6	Justin Lofton	Chevrolet	CollegeComple te.com	180.192	29.968	-0.144
7	8	Nelson Piquet Jr.*	Chevrolet	Tagg Pet Tracker / Qualcomm	180.162	29.973	-0.149
8	121	Ty Dillon	Chevrolet	Sherwin-Williams	180.060	29.990	-0.166
9	33	Ron Hornaday	Chevrolet	OneMain Financial	180.000	30.000	-0.176
10	2	Kevin Harvick	Chevrolet	Hunt Brothers Pizza	179.994	30.001	-0.177
11	88	Matt Crafton	Chevrolet	Fisher Nuts / Menards	179.964	30.006	-0.182
12	13	Johnny Sauter	Chevrolet	SafeAuto Insurance Co. / Curb Records	179.826	30.029	-0.205
13	29	Parker Kligerman*	Dodge	Cooper Standard	179.485	30.086	-0.262
14	22	Joey Coulter*	Chevrolet	American Eurocopter	179.414	30.098	-0.274
15	17	Timothy Peters	Toyota	NTB / Service Central	179.319	30.114	-0.290
16	81	David Starr	Toyota	Zachry / NCCER "Build Your Future" / Boot Campaign	178.926	30.180	-0.356
17	7	Miguel Paludo*	Toyota	Duroline Brakes and Components	178.897	30.185	-0.361
18	60	Cole Whitt*	Chevrolet	Fuel Doctor / Red Bull	178.838	30.195	-0.371
19	5	Todd Bodine	Toyota	Big Red	178.471	30.257	-0.433
20	20	Johanna Long*	Toyota	Panhandle Grading and Paving	178.436	30.263	-0.439
21	62	Brendan Gaughan	Toyota	International Trucks / Monaco RV	178.371	30.274	-0.450
22	07	Johnny Chapman	Toyota	Bobber.info / ASI Limited	177.626	30.401	-0.577
23	23	Jason White	Chevrolet	GunBroker.com	177.567	30.411	-0.587
24	9	Max Papis	Toyota	GEICO	177.381	30.443	-0.619
25	93	B.J. McLeod	Chevrolet	RSS Racing	176.777	30.547	-0.723
26	39	Ryan Sieg	Chevrolet	RSS Racing	176.488	30.597	-0.773
27	168	Clay Greenfield	Dodge	Rock On Framing / McNulty Electric	176.401	30.612	-0.788
28	73	Rick Crawford	Chevrolet	Trans Pecos Trucking LLP / County Building Centers	175.804	30.716	-0.892
29	155	Jake Crum	Chevrolet	MAKE Motorsports / Bandit Chippers	175.627	30.747	-0.923
30	138	Mike Garvey	Chevrolet	RSS Racing	175.524	39.765	-9.941
31	0	T.J. Bell	Ford	SuddenLink Media	174.865	30.881	-1.057
32	174	Mike Harmon	Chevrolet	Racing For Marrissa	174.210	30.997	-1.173
33	66	Ross Chastain	Chevrolet	National Watermelon Promotion Board / Melon 1 / JDI Farms	173.935	31.046	-1.222
34	63	Jack Smith	Ford	Seal Wrap	173.902	31.052	-1.228
35	87	Chris Jones	Chevrolet	Copy Wizard	172.955	31.222	-1.398
36	10	Jennifer Jo Cobb	Dodge	drivenmale.com / DriverBoutique.com	172.634	31.280	-1.456

Did Not Qualify
37	165	Tim Andrews	Chevrolet	Lumbermen's Millwork & Supply / Trans Pecos Trucking LLP	170.331	31.703	-1.879
38	57	Norm Benning	Chevrolet	G.L. Hubbard & Sons Trucking	168.503	32.047	-2.223
39	176	Derek White	Ford	OCR Gaz Bar	164.991	32.729	-2.905

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Hornaday should have given Busch some room there.

He’s racing for a championship and wants to take it 3 wide on lap 15??

@RealNolenBailey

by Hatfield on Nov 4, 2011 11:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions

agree, but

I think busch tried to pinch him behind the slower truck and hornaday had too much momentum to not hit the slower truck – this of course based on the reply I watched as my dvr didn’t record the race for me. But what busch did after is inexcusable, but more on that later.

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by 4ever3 on Nov 5, 2011 10:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions

You are unbelievable...

If Kyle were in contention for a championship, you would expect him to drive in that manner; he drives that way all the time, for that matter – early in races, too. Yet when someone else drives in that same manner, you expect them to move over for your golden boy – even when he has nothing to gain, other than ruining someone else’s opportunity?

And, as of this morning, NASCAR has finally seen enough of Kyle tearing up other people’s equipment to determine that he is a menace to racing society, and will not even let him run in tomorrow’s Sprint Cup race. FANTASTIC. Not only does he feel so entitled that he wrecks million-dollar machines when things don’t go his way, but he is an asshole afterward, to boot. This couldn’t have happened to a more deserving prick.

I hope that Kevin follows through with what he said last night, and whips Kyle when his probation is over, in 3 weeks.

by Dixie's Football Pride on Nov 5, 2011 11:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions

Dude, you are out of line on this.

Kyle is not my golden boy, and if you are a regular here you would know that by now. Did I say anywhere what Kyle did was right? No. All I said is I think he tried to pinch Hornaday behind a slow truck – I did not justify his actions at all. In fact, I agree with you that he races like that all the time. Do I like that he does drive like that all the time? No, I believe in giving and taking, but since everyone else knows he drives like that all of the time then what the hell is Hornaday doing trying to get under him with a slow truck in front of him? Also, I’m very happy that NASCAR parked him for the weekend – its about time they did something like that, I just fail to understand why they haven’t done it to other drivers who have done similar things over the last two seasons – perhaps if they had then Kyle wouldn’t have done what he did last night.

Do me a favor, try attacking the ideas presented here next time and not the person who writes them. This is an open forum for discussion, not snarking.

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by 4ever3 on Nov 5, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions

That reply was not to you, 4ever3...

It was to Hatfield; Kyle is his driver, and I have read his words that justify Kyle doing the very things that he chastised Hornaday for. I wasn’t even saying that I agree with Hornaday’s methods last night, just that Kyle drives that same way, all the time, and that there is no difference.

We’re on the same page, man. Also, if you’ll see, my reply is not indented under yours; it was in direct response to Hatfield. And many apologies if you object to my tone; that was not even directed at Hatfield either, but rather that Kyle Busch’s presence alone in this sport, burns me up.

All is well – sorry for the confusion!

by Dixie's Football Pride on Nov 5, 2011 1:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

You should thank Kyle for getting the forgotten truck series some national attention.

@RealNolenBailey

by Hatfield on Nov 5, 2011 2:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

On that...

…we can definitely agree. :)

by Dixie's Football Pride on Nov 5, 2011 3:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

You mean the series that coming into this race had four people within 14 points of the lead?

Dillon, Beuscher, Sauter, and Hornaday are the ones who are bringing the Truck series to national attention. People like Harvick and Busch are the ones ruining it.

by UnderdogFan89 on Nov 5, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Pardon me, 15 points.

by UnderdogFan89 on Nov 5, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, Steve Buescher is all over Sportscenter...

@RealNolenBailey

by Hatfield on Nov 5, 2011 4:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

I don't watch a lot of Sportscenter, so I wouldn't know

But Sportscenter has way too much to cover to always go in depth into the “lower league” races, most of the time simply posting the top 3 with short highlights, the same they do with any “lower leagues” in sports, if they even cover it at all. If you were to watch NASCAR related shows, Buescher is often talked about, especially regarding his missed Phoenix race and where he would be if he had qualified. I can see your point as to the attention received, but this kind of attention is bad attention to the series and to the sport, and you aren’t going to bring in any more fans with that kind of display of stupidity. Instead, the ignorant people of the world will begin touting their “NASCAR is full of rednecks” philosophy again, which will only drive future fans away.

And by the way, if you’re going to make a point, at least get the driver’s name right. Otherwise you just sound ignorant yourself, and no one will take you seriously.

by UnderdogFan89 on Nov 5, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Correct me if I'm wrong

But did you not defend Kevin Harvick punching someone through a car window earlier this year?

Also, I’m fairly certain you knew who I was referring to above. No need to be petty. It was anything but an egregious error.

@RealNolenBailey

by Hatfield on Nov 5, 2011 5:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

Actually, I didn't defend Harvick

I commented on several posts that punches are NOT acceptable, and referenced Jimmy Spencer. I didn’t support either driver in that case, calling both cowards and endangering other people due to their actions.

And I apologize for the latter comment. I didn’t mean it to be mean, although reading it now I do see it came off that way. I know you are a true fan of the sport, which is why I don’t want you to be lumped into the “ignorant” people part of my post. It was meant to be helpful, not hurtful. Again I apologize, and will retract that statement. And I definitely knew who you were talking about, even if Sportscenter wouldn’t! :D

by UnderdogFan89 on Nov 5, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions

They definitely don't.

I appreciate your post. And for the record, all I could do was shake my head in disappointment at Kyle’s actions last night.

It was ‘Old Kyle’ and I hated to see him revert back to that out of frustration. Probably with himself after another poor Chase performance.

@RealNolenBailey

by Hatfield on Nov 5, 2011 5:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

humble pie tastes good ...

I’ve eaten crow on this site too. I think the pie is a little better to eat though. I too am sorry for the confusion, sometimes I’m quick to defend the integrity of this blog and its followers, which I’m glad you’re one of.

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by 4ever3 on Nov 5, 2011 4:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

As far as Busch's remaining penalties, as there should probably be some....

I think he should not be allowed to run Homestead in the Trucks. He doesn’t need to be there, and allowing him to run will cause more problems than it’s worth. Other than that, I would say the penalties given this week are consistent with previous penalties, and there shouldn’t be any other penalties outside of the Truck series (other than a cross-divisional probation). Points and money may be penalized in Trucks, but I’m happy with the stance NASCAR has taken here, as long as Busch doesn’t run Homestead in Trucks.

by UnderdogFan89 on Nov 5, 2011 3:09 PM EDT reply actions

I think Busch should pay for all the damages to Hornady's truck too

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by 4ever3 on Nov 5, 2011 4:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

Just read that there are sources saying Gibbs might take some action

Gibbs isn’t someone you mess with when it comes to morals. A very religious person who is not afraid to show his beliefs, what Busch did goes very much against everything Gibbs values. The talk is that Gibbs will sit him down for the rest of the season to think about things. Interestingly, this does not mean that he will be sitting out of the last Truck race, since Busch obviously own his own truck. That’s why NASCAR needs to sit him out of the Homestead Truck race in my opinion. I really do think Kurt Busch benefited greatly from Roush parking him for those two races at the end of the 2005 season. I truly hope Kyle will learn from this as well.

by UnderdogFan89 on Nov 5, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions